Does John 8:58 really prove that Jesus Divinity?

๐ƒ๐จ๐ž๐ฌ ๐‰๐จ๐ก๐ง ๐Ÿ–:๐Ÿ“๐Ÿ– ๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฏ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐‰๐ž๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐ƒ๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ?

Mohamad Mostafa Nassar


๐‰๐จ๐ก๐ง ๐Ÿ–:๐Ÿ“๐Ÿ–’๐ฌ ๐๐ž๐ฅ๐ข๐›๐ž๐ซ๐š๐ญ๐ž ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐š๐ง๐ฌ๐ฅ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐‰๐ž๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐š๐ฒ๐ข๐ง๐  “๐ˆ ๐€๐Œ” ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ง๐ž๐ฐ ๐ž๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ž๐ง๐œ๐ž ๐Ÿ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐†๐ซ๐ž๐ž๐ค ๐ฅ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ฎ๐š๐ ๐ž!

Some Christians claim Jesus’ Divinity through John 8:58 and then support it with Exodus 3:14. Does this really prove his Divine Nature?

1- Mistranslation of Exodus 3:14
2- Was the answer of Jesus compatible with the Jews’ question?
3- Mistranslation of John 8:58

1- Mistranslation of Exodus 3:14

Particularly the translation you will find of Exodus 3:14 in different Bible is

God replied to Moses, “I Am Who I Am. Say this to the people of Israel: I Am has sent me to you.”

However, the Hebrew words for Exodus 3:14 is

ื™ึนึผืืžึถืจ ืึฑืœึนื”ึดื™ื ืึถืœึพืžึนืฉึถืื” ืึถื”ึฐื™ึถื” ืึฒืฉึถืืจ ืึถื”ึฐื™ึถื” ื•ึทื™ึนึผืืžึถืจ ื›ึนึผื” ืชึนืืžึทืจ ืœึดื‘ึฐื ึตื™ ื™ึดืฉึฐื‚ืจึธืึตืœ ืึถื”ึฐื™ึถื” ืฉึฐืืœึธื—ึทื ึดื™ ืึฒืœึตื™ื›ึถื

If you correctly translate it into English then the correct translation is

“God said to the – Moses whoever I was and said so tell the people of Israel will be sent me to you”
Another Bible is also translated as “I will be who I will be”

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2-Was the answer to Jesus compatible with the Jews’ question?

Picking a verse from the whole context to justify your claim is not veracious. You should read the whole context to see what is really happening.

The Context Goes Like this:
John 8
51 I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.”
52 At this the Jews exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death.
53ย Are you greater than our father Abraham?ย He died, and soย did the prophets.ย Who do you think you are?”
54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.
55ย Though you do not know him, I know him.ย If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you,ย but I do know him and keep his word.
56ย Your father Abraham rejoicedย at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”
57ย “You are not yet fifty years old,” theย Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham?
58 “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered,ย “before Abraham was born, I amย (I have seen Abraham before he was even born)!”

Some points to be noted here:

1- Jesus confirmed that Abraham was rejoicing after seeing Jesus’s days and was glad
2- Jesus was one of the offspring of Abraham and he was his father
3- The Important point is Jews asked “Have Youย SEEN ABRAHAM?” And in the answer Jesus must have replied “I have seen Abrahamย before he was Born” instead of “I am”(See Confirmation Below)

3- Mistranslation of Verse John 8:58

Commonly in Bible, we see

New American Standard Bible (NASB ยฉ1995)
โ€” Jesus said to them, โ€œTruly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.โ€

However, this verse too is manipulated to prove Jesus’ divinity. The words after the translation are either “I was” or “I have”
For Example, an old Bible used the correct translation which is “I was”

James Murdock Peshitta-Aramaic NT (1852)
โ€” Jesus said to them: Verily, verily I say to you, That before Abraham existed, I was.

Moreover, the Older Bible uses a different and more authentic translation which is why some translation renders it differently. For example,

An American Translation reads. “I existed beforeย Abraham was born!“,
Moffatt, “I have existed beforeย Abraham was born”,
Sacred Bible, “Before Abraham existed,ย I was existing“,

In the New Testament, “Jesus said to them, ‘I tell you, I existed beforeย Abraham was born!”,
The Four Gospels According to the the Sinaitic Palimpsest, “He said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,ย Before Abraham was, I have been.”,

The Twentieth Century New Testament, “Believe me ‘Jesus replied, ‘before Abraham was bornย I was already what I am.“,
The Modern New Testament, “Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was born,ย I was.”,
The Syriac New Testament, “Jesus said to them: Verily, verily, I say to you, That before Abraham existed,ย I was.”

In Exodus 3:14 God was using this as a title and name to be used against the Egyptians. A Bible scholar Dr. J.H. Hertz said that in the phrase ‘I am that I am’ the main emphasis is on the active manifestation of God’s Divine existence. He said that God was about to show himself on behalf of his people in a great and wonderful way. He said that “I will be what I will be” is also an approved rendering.

The footnote to the NASB Bible agrees and says, “1.14 Or I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE”.
When Jesus used the phrase he was not using it as a name or title. He was only explaining his pre-human existence. Thus in harmony with the above, the NWT (New World Translation) correctly translates that verse as: “Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”

Which one Plausible Prophet Muhammed the Slave and Servant of our Creator Allah get summoned to Heavens to Speak to Allah

And, at another time Prophet Muhammed split the moon as a miracle by the permission, will and support of Allah and on his own.
OR according to YOUR Faith God who is three person โ€“

Jesus prayed and fasted (He must be praying to fast to himself that is Bi-Polar)

Also, according to YOUR Faith โ€“ God turns up to Earth as a man,
Yet He is God- and you are quite happy to say who He saw me has seen God โ€“

The question would not be right to ask who has killed me has killed God. Since you reckon God and Jesus NEVER EVER separated along with the Holy Spirit.

The Christian disaster did not stop but they reckon that God was killed DEAD and Buried by his own Creation AND Sacrificed himself (That is FALSE Sacrifice if he came back from the dead 3 days later

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